@jime So this one time, I was working in a startup where they were hiring pms every month, in fact, it seemed no. of pm > no. of engineers. For some reason, they worshipped pm, and pms were dictating everything i.e micromanaging engineers, .. how they should deliver, keeping hackathon every odd/even week at night, shouting at engineers every now n then. If pm said sp is 2, it's 2, doesn't matter what you give. This was a Canadian based startup , founded and running by Indian ceo/CTO.
On contrary, when I worked for another mid level company based out of uk where pm let developers how things should be run. Pm talked to higher up people and users, conveyed it to po, .. po scheduled meetings for engineers where requirements were explained, asked engineers for sp and other such details. Arrange another meetings for story explanation and hurdles if any ..
you see the point..