@newbie2016 This is a fair assessment. I agree that they are better coders than me. Specially now that I've been away from that for a while. And as I said given enough time they produce really good quality code. But I'm hesitant to work with a VC or get into a client deal where expectations are more focused on speed than quality. And my main issue is that I've never worked with other teams so I don't know if it's a bad expectation (like grass is always greener on the other side) or if they truly are not a team that can deliver speed because of the 3 you mentioned we have picked good and cheap (bootstraped)